tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1917870048446264335.post3845204497174466863..comments2024-03-14T03:35:39.631-04:00Comments on X-men Supreme: Objectifying Women in Comics - The Other DebateJack Fisherhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04929572842990203873noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1917870048446264335.post-69199210876813723012012-07-18T06:03:51.754-04:002012-07-18T06:03:51.754-04:00It goes back to the study I cited. Men are visual ...It goes back to the study I cited. Men are visual creatures. They are more influenced by sight than other senses. Women are influenced in different ways. They're still sexual. Look at the sales if 50 Shades of Gray. They won't watch porn, but they'll read the shit out of it. It just makes too my logical sense that if men see these beautiful women in pop culture that it'll influence their behavior. There's just one problem with that. It's called evidence, Sherlock. Get some.<br /><br />JackJack Fisherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04929572842990203873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1917870048446264335.post-12189253989478036882012-07-17T02:45:06.039-04:002012-07-17T02:45:06.039-04:00Well actually, Thompson does have a small picture ...Well actually, Thompson does have a small picture of herself attached to her articles, but its only a head shot and its really hard to tell if she's attractive or not. One of the most common arguments I hear from these women is that constantly seeing these images of beautiful scantily clad women will influence a man's attitude and behavior towards women. Is it so hard to believe that a man might actually base his understanding of women on actual empirical reality instead of fiction? I don't believe that the comic industry and other mediums are trying to make women who don't have the "idealized" body feel bad about themselves nor do I believe that they have a responsibility to alleviate women or men of their insecurities.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1917870048446264335.post-87632180331205307552012-07-16T17:01:19.060-04:002012-07-16T17:01:19.060-04:00George Carlin once asked why is it that every woma...George Carlin once asked why is it that every woman that is so against abortion is a woman you wouldn't want to fuck in the first place? But the writer of this article didn't exactly put a picture of herself to go along with it. We don't know how attractive she is. We really can't assume either. I think the issue for women is that comics and so many other media are pushing for this idealized body type for women and most probably will never attain it. Same for men. I'm no slouch, but I know I'll never look as good as Cyclops or Superman. And I'm okay with that. But people like pretty pictures and beautiful people. Is that really something worth bitching about? Thanks for the comment.<br /><br />JackJack Fisherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04929572842990203873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1917870048446264335.post-11760920513751588482012-07-15T21:41:34.870-04:002012-07-15T21:41:34.870-04:00I had to read this again because its probably the ...I had to read this again because its probably the most well-thought out article I've seen in regards to this subject. <br /><br />I can't help but notice that I rarely ever see attractive women crying sexism whenever images of beautiful scantily clad women are used to sell a product such as comics. Its almost always some bitter frumpy chick. <br /><br />Your thoughts, Jack?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1917870048446264335.post-37370641225858415332012-05-07T21:43:47.481-04:002012-05-07T21:43:47.481-04:00Oh compared to some manga, Marvel and DC might as ...Oh compared to some manga, Marvel and DC might as well have been produced by nuns. There are gratuitous panty shots, close ups of boobs, and raging stereotypes that most feminists should bitch about but don't. It's just picking and choosing what to be pissed off about and it's bullshit.Jack Fisherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04929572842990203873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1917870048446264335.post-59070648986032538472012-05-06T21:30:35.851-04:002012-05-06T21:30:35.851-04:00Since Adam brought up manga, what's really int...Since Adam brought up manga, what's really interesting is that manga has just as much (if not more) T&A than comic books.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1917870048446264335.post-53657699101719251592012-02-23T17:28:55.499-05:002012-02-23T17:28:55.499-05:00Thanks for the comments guys, but I don't see ...Thanks for the comments guys, but I don't see the comic companies pulling back from sexualizing women (and men) anytime soon. Not because they can't, but because nobody has given them a viable alternative. That's the major crux of my article. Yeah, it is a problem. But what would the publishers gain by putting more clothes on women? Would that make the comics sell more? Would that make more women buy them? If not, then why the fuck would they do that? I'm seriously open to alternatives here, but nobody has done shit to offer one so until that changes nothing else will change. It's as simple as that.<br /><br />JackJack Fisherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04929572842990203873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1917870048446264335.post-67646812992495441232012-02-22T01:57:23.886-05:002012-02-22T01:57:23.886-05:00I think the way it is is fine by me. I like this p...I think the way it is is fine by me. I like this page and great topic!Tom Badguyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00450994667840450480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1917870048446264335.post-84652838026828922452012-02-21T23:06:25.273-05:002012-02-21T23:06:25.273-05:00Indeed, which may in fact be the problem. Much as ...Indeed, which may in fact be the problem. Much as I love many classic comic characters, they've been around for decades and can never truly be allowed to go away otherwise the fans will stop caring. Sometimes a new character can finds its own success but it's usually a self-contained limited series or piggy-backing off an existing franchise. Sometimes the industry is just the way is. For instance, as much as guys like looking at comic book cheesecake, why is it Marvel and DC can't get them to care that much about a female solo series even with established characters?<br /><br />Don't get me wrong. I pretty much agree with the women saying that the over-sexualization of females in comics has gotten ridiculous and borderline creepy in some instances. I do wish the creators would tone it down and portray women in a more sensitive light. There is a saying that comics are legal porn for teens after all. But as much as we could ask the publishers to reign it in, this stuff became popular for a reason. Namely a lot of the fans like looking at this stuff and a lot of the creators like making it this way. If they were to take the more inclusive route and try and make the characters appeal more to women (or at least less offensive to them) would a lot of the male fanbase quite buying the books? I don't know. It certainly wouldn't change my buying habits, but that's all I can vouch for, and the big houses probably aren't overly keen on risking their surefire dollars to do the right thing, especially when the offended demographic isn't really their target.<br /><br />I'm not familiar with Marvel or DC's marketing habits and whether/how they've seriously pushed for women to get into comics as I don't pay that much attention to this stuff, but everyone pretty much knows that comicbooks are widely seen as a "guy" thing. So in the end the publishers may not care what women think so long as the men are still buying. It's like the restaurant Hooter's: pretty much anyone can eat there including children if they've got an adult, but no one sees Hooters as a family style restaurant and I don't think they've ever marketed themselves as such. They don't think women care about them and they're doing fine without them so why shake things up.<br /><br />Sorry to be a downer, but until the publishers seriously make an effort to be less skantastic on their own I don't see any of this changing unfortunately. That's why I suggest they make their own characters. If the market lacks something you want, the only sure way to get it is to make it yourself. It's really hard, but not impossible. Manga is hugely popular among women for example.Adamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10016188508658731186noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1917870048446264335.post-57307532645220011682012-02-21T21:12:48.215-05:002012-02-21T21:12:48.215-05:00Point well taken, Adam. However, there's a pro...Point well taken, Adam. However, there's a problem with creating a new character from scratch. It won't catch on in a crowded marketplace. Like it or not, many of the established heroes, male and female alike, were created decades ago. Many before the modern feminist movement. Some, like Wonder Woman, were created by a man with bondage fetishes. Creating a new character just doesn't always work out well. Most of the characters that Marvel and DC creates are rip-offs of others anyways. And that won't change what's already going on. My point is what do the whiners propose we do with the current situation as it stands? I've yet to hear something viable.<br /><br />JackJack Fisherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04929572842990203873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1917870048446264335.post-8336077970631794982012-02-21T18:57:35.086-05:002012-02-21T18:57:35.086-05:00The universe must be trying to tell me something. ...The universe must be trying to tell me something. So much of my random web surfing has come back to feminism these past few days...<br /><br />I understand the sentiment, and I agree that at some point some of these groups really are just whining whilst expecting others to fix the world for them. And the lack of solutions they offer may be akin to them thinking that the solution should be obvious: simply "Don't do that" or "Do the opposite" of whatever is bugging them.<br /><br />The trouble I have with modern feminism is that I've never seen a more splintered political/social cause in my life. It really doesn't seem like any of them can really agree on anything. Buffy the Vampire Slayer is often held up as a great feminist show, yet I've read essays from women about how it wasn't as progressive a show as many say for such reasons as all the main actors were both thin and pretty.<br /><br />It basically boiling down to women's advocates saying that the comics, film, "insert offending institution here" need to "do this". Well honestly, no they don't. If they're making money they aren't likely to change things up to satisfy the whims of a small section of the audience, who as I just noted can't entirely agree on what they want anyways.<br /><br />Bottom line: if you want to see change happen then make it happen yourself. If you've got time to spend an hour writing a blog about why the industry sucks, then you have an hour to spend writing a story or designing a female character who's reasonably proportioned and keeps her clothes on. Then you can let the market decide if they're interested or not. Who knows? Maybe you'll be one of the lucky ones.Adamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10016188508658731186noreply@blogger.com