tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1917870048446264335.post3205765829789864419..comments2024-03-14T03:35:39.631-04:00Comments on X-men Supreme: Dissecting the Relationship of Jean Grey and WolverineJack Fisherhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04929572842990203873noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1917870048446264335.post-26990956845467914612017-06-09T04:30:44.716-04:002017-06-09T04:30:44.716-04:00How do you figure Jean is the one who comes out lo...How do you figure Jean is the one who comes out looking bad?<br />Scott and Jean are dating.<br />Wolverine joins the team.<br />Jean becomes Phoenix (or however you'd put it, given the retcon).<br />Wolverine has feelings to Jean, but only the audience knows.<br />Dark Phoenix Saga. Jean dies.<br />Cyclops leaves the team, gets married to a Jean Grey lookalike (does she wind up being an actual clone of Jean?).<br />Cyclops tries to leave his now pregnant wife and rejoin the X-Men as leader, and Storm kicks his ass, so he goes back to his family.<br />Retcon. Jean comes back.<br />Cyclops leaves his wife and child to get back together with Jean.<br />Inferno. X-Men run into X-Factor everyone thought everyone else was dead or something. Hilarity ensues. Wolverine plants one on Jean. Unless I'm mistaken Cyclops is still technically married at the time. At any rate, Jean doesn't appreciate Wolverine's advances.<br />X-tinction Agenda. Jean kisses Wolverine because she thinks he's going to die. It's a largely solemn moment.<br />Scott and Jean get married.<br />At some point Scott gets possessed by Apocalypse or some such and when the X-Men get him back, he's not quite the same.<br />In a moment of weakness, while talking to him about her fears about Cyclops and their marriage, Jean kisses Wolverine. Wolverine pushes her away.<br />Cyclops has a psychic affair with Emma Frost.<br />Jean finds out and kicks Emma's ass, but before much can else can come of it...<br />Jean dies for real. Or at least for a real long time.<br />Scott and Emma literally make out on her grave.<br /><br />But you're right. Clearly, Jean is a "skank." She's the problem in this relationship.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08110919888145774976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1917870048446264335.post-65012083096389189182017-05-11T08:41:00.685-04:002017-05-11T08:41:00.685-04:00X-Men forever was pretty good, but they killed wol...X-Men forever was pretty good, but they killed wolverine off so quickly and then Jean goes with Beast he gets killed and then at the end winds up right back with Scott telling him She will always be there for him.<br /><br />That is part of the reason I don't like the two of them together lol. I love me some Wolverine, but when it comes it comes to Jean Grey man it just ruins who he is and it always comes off as forced. Every time She's not paired off with Scott whose next 99% of the time? Logan. It's like its just done just for no other rhyme or reason but to not have her either be her own standing character or be paired off with Cyclops. Im not against them being together just always comes off as forced and weird for a man as cool as logan to be sniffing and lingering around his teammates woman waiting for it go wrong so he can step in and take her. <br />lol He deserves better than that. And it honestly makes him come off like a bitch. Who wants to be on a team with a man like this constantly.<br />Claremont put them together out of spite because he disliked a character who was written to be a certain way, its not like Cyclops himself up and decided to leave his way he was written to do so in order to have something happen to get Pryor out of the picture. Wolverine and Jean is just result of spite. The Pheonix ruined Jean grey just how Apocalypse ruined Scott in New X-men, Wolverine is just always come off as they guy who pretends to be your friend but secretly wants to screw your girl behind you back and he is too cool for that too.<br /><br />I prefer logan far away from Jean Grey because he gets weird and to see them together its like its done either for spite, just to say oh hey Wolverine is screwing yet another woman in marvel another notch on his belt, oh he's the man. Or People do it just to say oh hey look my Jean Grey is different she's with Logan not Cyclops. Its rarely interesting becauuse if Jean is not paired off with Scott, whose the next guy in line to be with her.. Logan. I say either Leave Jean with Scott and let their relationship serve as something that can work when two people work as lovers and best friends to create a foundation or just leave her single and stand o her own. They been playing on this for years, not to mention Wolverine gets enough shine as it is being one of the more popular marvel characters, I think its time they gave him a rest, the man mystery is gone and now its become oh great wolverine again, how they ruin his life this time around, how many of kids does he accidently kill this time. Just let me the man find peace knowing he loved Mariko, or whoever and just let it be. They rode the wave long enough and this is from someone who loves wolverine. Cyclops is coo, but too uptight. TBH My favorite cyclops and wolverine was X-men Evolution, the one place Wolverine was not a weirdo for Jean Grey and while the violence he carries out was toned down, he was still cool as hell.SamoanShaarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06305382759634985057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1917870048446264335.post-26069726484843280922016-09-23T21:31:55.147-04:002016-09-23T21:31:55.147-04:00And another note the movies fuck up. Gambit and r...And another note the movies fuck up. Gambit and rogue were in love but coukd not touch til later not frigging ice pussy man. And she Flys and has super strength Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17111839860983934891noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1917870048446264335.post-1690296897241111202016-09-23T21:29:39.162-04:002016-09-23T21:29:39.162-04:00Any debate is redundant. I won't be back to s...Any debate is redundant. I won't be back to see it anyway and I've handed you the fact all the way from 70s to present uts been this way. She hid it better as notto hurt Scott but wolves dint care he told him. It's her decision and you cannot handle what she really is. Schools out and I bet Stan Lee would agreeAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17111839860983934891noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1917870048446264335.post-75557687248363814792016-09-23T21:26:14.152-04:002016-09-23T21:26:14.152-04:00Weak not eat Weak not eat Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17111839860983934891noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1917870048446264335.post-8733833716972961112016-09-23T21:25:27.310-04:002016-09-23T21:25:27.310-04:00When she has an orgasm wolves can regenerate when ...When she has an orgasm wolves can regenerate when she goes all Phoenix. She would kill Scott at some point. He's eat and no power but his eyes but wolves regenerates has super high tolerance for pain and loves her more than anyone. And she does love him so does the Phoenix. After tge Phoenix disappears in old days he gets with storm in future about nows tome period. Got the ge comics and cards. She was alone Scott was best choice until the day her and wolverine saw each other. End of conversation end if debate. Its so obvious. And again he's the only one that can survive her Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17111839860983934891noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1917870048446264335.post-75772151038774996652016-09-16T11:54:26.344-04:002016-09-16T11:54:26.344-04:00Writers should read your comment and meditate on i...Writers should read your comment and meditate on it!<br /><br />PS: Logan & Jean are made for each other.. I think she is with Scott because he feels alone (like her). [My opinion] :)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14890728860330447797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1917870048446264335.post-66829042074510967372016-09-01T14:30:49.116-04:002016-09-01T14:30:49.116-04:00Jean e Logan como casal não dá!Eu não consigo vê-l...Jean e Logan como casal não dá!Eu não consigo vê-los assim, mas para quem gosta dos dois como casal a revolta pela maneira como os roteiristas tratam a "relação" deles deve ser grande. Fabrícia Saldanhahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09363853362407795237noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1917870048446264335.post-45996211755970942372016-03-23T09:21:58.315-04:002016-03-23T09:21:58.315-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04014468163842888283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1917870048446264335.post-38851227310682711162015-12-20T19:12:18.099-05:002015-12-20T19:12:18.099-05:00Jean says "if you had nuts on the wall would ...Jean says "if you had nuts on the wall would they be wall nuts ? "Logan thinks "dumb bitch needs chin nuts!" <br /><br />Logan don't fall for chicks he fucks chicks Logan 101 here ! he isn't love stays ! he is log em an leave em ! Slap slam thank y'all mame kinda man ! he don't stay anywhere long he can't its in his blood to move like a wolf or feral animal ! He also has lived so long he ain't thinking love he has needs that it I could see that changing but only if he met a mate a true mate for him like more then a white red head a different kind like him and his own!Pfunkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16546172792230024880noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1917870048446264335.post-82169633784114164552015-12-20T18:56:03.724-05:002015-12-20T18:56:03.724-05:00Logan is not short and ferry like he used to be! H...Logan is not short and ferry like he used to be! He's a manly man with a huge cockula that's always hard "that's in the comics I swear" ! "It really really is super hard " but "only for that kinda boring chick jenn of somthin' screw her ""I can look more fit then her if I just tuck in my gut a bit and fix my saggy...." And so on !lol it's just simple the new wolverine is a hottie for the females they get wet as fuck and go looking for man meat !" Me!!! Here! I'm not a goody goody guy with raybans ! " or Thats what he has been made into its very sad I must say what a waste of a character fleshed out over years of work and creativity ! And not just Scott but wolverine has been jackmanized and turned emo ,lol jean is a red light whore and for what ? It's cus Scott isn't sexy so he is losing out to a hot bad boy stereotype placed over the former wolverine!Pfunkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16546172792230024880noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1917870048446264335.post-12866549338008642572015-12-20T18:30:57.501-05:002015-12-20T18:30:57.501-05:00One true pairing ? Please it's a work of art i...One true pairing ? Please it's a work of art it's fiction! My real world relationship is boring "I'm sorry sweetness," but for real it's no head turning train wreck like Jean Scott or logan ! i think Jean logan is bullshit but only cus it's made to be a game Logan is playing he don't love her he just wants to get one over on cyclops !Pfunkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16546172792230024880noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1917870048446264335.post-10908672735343394242015-09-10T18:04:10.790-04:002015-09-10T18:04:10.790-04:00i prefer Wolverine Rogue even though that is not c...i prefer Wolverine Rogue even though that is not comic canon i feel Rogue can handle Logan better then Jean in the long run. i agree with jack fisher has said. i feel Logan only wants Jean cause shes hot and reminds him of Rose. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1917870048446264335.post-25437473763892849082015-02-08T00:41:06.772-05:002015-02-08T00:41:06.772-05:00Eu amo Jean E Logan.Gostaria de ve-los juntos nos ...Eu amo Jean E Logan.Gostaria de ve-los juntos nos filmes.Jeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11966603605812846422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1917870048446264335.post-90653473984745149312015-01-21T18:16:24.002-05:002015-01-21T18:16:24.002-05:00make the pheonix the reason for scott jean break u...make the pheonix the reason for scott jean break up Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1917870048446264335.post-80125824582940316202014-11-26T03:56:32.629-05:002014-11-26T03:56:32.629-05:00This has been bugging me lately, and I read this b...This has been bugging me lately, and I read this blog post a while ago, and came back to say something. Honestly though, the Anon above me nailed it. Scott and Jean simply belong together. They want to follow a similar path in life, they are equally dedicated to what they do. It isn't a case of one holding the other back. They support each other and make each other stronger. <br /><br />I don't think the Jean Logan relationship would even be something that commonly crops ups, except for the misguided efforts of one or few writers. It saddens me that we have Claremont to blame, because just about everything he wrote salrier was gold, and defined the X-Men for the better. I read somewhere that he intended to have Scott marry Madelyn and leave the X-Men, moving on with his life. I think the decision to have him come back to Jean and abandon his wife murdered Scott as a character. It completely neutured his independence, drive, and determination, making him nothing more than the wallowing, pitiable ball of angst most other media have presented since. As you say, they became defined by their relationship and nothing more.<br /><br />As an example of handling their relationship well, I suggest X-Men: Evolution (the animated series) . It gets back to looking at them as teenagers so, while it can be a little melodramatic at times, you see how the relationship really starts, why it is there, who they mean to each other. <br /><br />I have to confess I don't read many comics now. They are expensive, and often just upsetting. The X-Men are my favorite super team, unquestionably, and I just have no desire to delve into their world as it stands now. However, I still love the characters, and still love examining them. <br /><br />Anyway, I think Jean Logan began as misguided, and I have never seen a place where it wasn't.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1917870048446264335.post-84390232206653745712014-08-20T12:08:50.395-04:002014-08-20T12:08:50.395-04:00Thank you very much for taking the time to comment...Thank you very much for taking the time to comment on an article I wrote 4 years ago. lol<br /><br />I agree with you completely. Too much of Jean/Wolverine was driven by misguided efforts from small groups of creators, like Chris Claremont. And it really did undermine both their characters, especially in the movies. It completely detracted from the core of who these characters are as individuals. The movies basically made it seem as though this relationship was the most important thing about them. It wasn't. It's not even top 10 in the grand scheme of things. Wolverine was actually much more in love with Mariko Yashida. He almost married her. He never even came close to Jean Grey, yet that relationship is somehow placed on a different level and I think that's just bullshit. I hope that at some point the nature of the Cyclops/Jean relationship will be cleared up. But I'm not holding my breath. Marvel sucks at relationships and until they prove otherwise, I have no faith in their ability to develop one.<br /><br />JackJack Fisherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04929572842990203873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1917870048446264335.post-4678732107717711122014-08-20T01:50:54.953-04:002014-08-20T01:50:54.953-04:00Hi all. It's been very rewarding to read this...Hi all. It's been very rewarding to read this blog and hear intelligent arguments from people on both sides of the aisles on the Jean/Scott/Logan pairing. Here's my opinion: It only takes a single person (like Chris Claremont) or a small group of people to corrupt the original vision of the series and forever change something good into something less savory. What have you gained with Wolverine and Jean Grey? A flashy affair and decent side story that will quickly sell comic books. An opportunity to undermine everyone's integrity. And a off shoot benefit of dedicating even more screen time to Hugh Jackman as Wolverine at the expense of decades of x-men comic history and character building. Though I love the actor's portrayal of Wolverine, admit it -- The X-Men movies were Wolverine plus some other people movies and rewritten around him. Cyclops was turned into a joke for the new generations of fans.<br /><br />The worst is what was lost:<br />The chance to forge in comic book history the rare couple you depend on and can count on. Superman and Lois Lane. Peter Parker and Mary Jane. Even Batman and Catwoman. Scott Summers and Jean Grey should be on that list with the others that have become household names. <br /><br />I'm for Scott and Jean all the way. I hope someday the mud clears and someone grows the balls to portray their marriage and soul-mate partnership in a positive and sustained light.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1917870048446264335.post-80606822790168765702014-08-15T10:45:55.003-04:002014-08-15T10:45:55.003-04:00hi i'm kind of new here in this blog, so on m...hi i'm kind of new here in this blog, so on my opinion i think it could have a little slack about the characters in the comics. so i've seen and read in the x-men movie(all of them) and comic series(some) so kind of understand of everything between jean and logan so no choice thought, but if any story for has at least a like i don't how to say this but have kids or getting married of at least in dreams(for logan) like the that at least.................. sorry 16 yr old here suck at typing and no educational grade(elemetary level) and i'm from the phillipines. pilipino po ako. anonymous blogger from iloilo city.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1917870048446264335.post-26535769545223675102014-06-06T18:55:37.784-04:002014-06-06T18:55:37.784-04:00Why the fuck do you say that Jean can't be her...Why the fuck do you say that Jean can't be herself with Cyclops? Emma Frost already revealed that Cyclops can be just as much a badass and a deviant as Wolverine. Seriously, what can Jean NOT do with Cyclops? How is he holding her back? Just because two people share a hot kiss doesn't mean they're ripe for a relationship. If that were the case, porn would be billed as epic romance. If that makes you horny, stick to porn. Don't use it as an excuse to butcher two great characters the way Claremont did in X-men Forever.Jack Fisherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04929572842990203873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1917870048446264335.post-53058146554448567892014-06-06T12:52:25.034-04:002014-06-06T12:52:25.034-04:00No it is a good reason to support them, they both ...No it is a good reason to support them, they both have powers beyond their control, so why not just unleash them once in a while ? With Scott, she will never be able to be completely herself, so fuck that, I always loved Wolvi with Jean and the way they kissed made me so horny, damn !Flashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11957636705146660611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1917870048446264335.post-75872711411757777822014-05-29T14:53:59.873-04:002014-05-29T14:53:59.873-04:00Thank you very much for the comments guys. I usual...Thank you very much for the comments guys. I usually don't get them on articles that are five years old. lol I agree that there seems to be an uncertainty over how to use Wolverine. On one hand, he's the ultimate loner. On the other, he's the respectable headmaster of a school. It really is a disconnect. I personally don't think he needs to fit into one label. I think he can be that badass, but with a role like headmaster. I look at the first arc of Amazing X-men or Jason Aaron's Wolverine and the X-men and see plenty of moments where Wolverine can make this persona work. However, his relationships are a bit more complicated.<br /><br />Until recently, Wolverine couldn't age or grow old with anyone. And he never stuck around long enough to really be a stable kind of guy. I think that's a big reason why he and Jean Grey could never work. He doesn't stick around with her or the team because he's always off fighting his own battles. Jean Grey is not a loner. She has always been defined by her ability to forge powerful relationships with others. Taking those relationships away would be like taking away Wolverine's claws or his bad manners. And I think her relationship with Cyclops complemented that nicely because Cyclops is dedicated and focused, often to a fault. He has his problems, but they're not the same as Wolverine's.<br /><br />That said, I hate it whenever someone claims Jean Grey should just be single and independent when she comes back. That's a total load of bullshit. Jean Grey is and always has been defined by her passion. The idea of her cutting ties or distancing herself from the people she loves is completely OOC. I'm all for exploring her omega level power. Hell, All New X-men is doing that right now. But she's a character who thrives by forging relationships. She did that in AOA as well. It's part of what makes her so endearing. And I think one of the reasons why she has such great chemistry with Wolverine is because she's able to connect with people that others can't. But good chemistry alone won't make a good relationship.<br /><br />JackJack Fisherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04929572842990203873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1917870048446264335.post-19433125590098009472014-05-29T04:15:42.182-04:002014-05-29T04:15:42.182-04:00She has such rich history and potential however, a...She has such rich history and potential however, and therein lies the problem: is Scott holding her character back? <br /><br />Personally my answer to the two issues above is this: I prefer wolverine as a samurai, restraining his instincts, and maturing, getting more in control of his animal instincts. For jean I think she needs to e her own character, without Phoenix and Scott, and even without Logan. The way I see it, jean needs to come back, and be single, be herself for a year or so. Explore her character, her omega level potential. A bit like the aoa jean in x-force. Wolverine needs to stop hating cyclops, be a good leader, find peace from his school, while stop trying to stab everything he sees. Then they can start a relationship.<br /><br />On jean's side, this is perhaps what all new x-men is doing. On Logan's side, not so much, as he is going to die soon I heard. May be once he comes back from his comic book death. But a teenage jean and hundred years old Logan is horrible. So guess I will never see what I want here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1917870048446264335.post-59992487454688971722014-05-29T04:04:48.654-04:002014-05-29T04:04:48.654-04:00Hi jack, huge compliment to you, been enjoying man...Hi jack, huge compliment to you, been enjoying many articles on this site, though I regret to say that I have barely started on the fan fiction itself. Looking forward to reading more of it.<br /><br />On the topic, I think the problem is twofold. Firstly, the direction of wolverine in modern marvel is very unclear, perhaps due to the company Beijing over eager to make bags of money from his popularity. Some writers write wolverine as an ultimate badass, impulsive, ass kicking and care free. Others emphasize him as a parental figure. Some put him on constant solo adventures, as a loner. Some put him as an ultimate soldier, executing orders perfectly. At the same time he is portrayed as a leader, of a school and a team no less. This extends to whether he should ever have a relationship; is he a tragic hero who must always have things taken from him, or is he someone with a checkered past and finally found peace and stability? Is he about instincts, or about controlling his instincts with samurai values? <br /><br />The other in Jean's portrayal. She is almost designed as a support for Scott, the one to support him as a leader, the one to smooth his mind. She is much defined by how she cared for and reached out to Scott. Either Scott or the Phoenix.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1917870048446264335.post-61399726650651331942014-05-26T19:33:02.047-04:002014-05-26T19:33:02.047-04:00Honestly, not to be a pain but not only do I not a...Honestly, not to be a pain but not only do I not agree with Jean/Logan but I actually kinda hate it. If you really knew Logan completely, it's sad to say but he was meant to be alone. A man that's gone through that much pain but can't age or die and that everyone he seems to care about dies, do you really think it's right for Jean to let go of everything for him? I may be being biased considering that I'm in a relationship where I'm Scott and my best friend is Logan and we've been fighting over my girl but put that out of the equation. When you look at Scott and Jean's relationship, a lot of people see them as "boring" but after being in a relationship, what others see as boring is actually quite amazing from experience. When I see Scott/Jean, I can imagine them getting married and having kids and growing old together. It's one true pairing. Logan is a good guy but he needs to accept that Scott and Jean do in fact love each other and he needs to lay off. That's my opinionViewtifulAJMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01034986560629401883noreply@blogger.com